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-- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best spokesman for conservatism. >> no, no. >> we should put a paul ryan -- we need younger leadership. >> paul ryan came out publicly in support of boehner. that's point number one. secondly, boehner jumped ryan over more senior people to put him as head of the budget committee. that's my second point. and boehner himself is being advised by ryan every step of the way. >> what do you say about this purge then? he's purging people that wants to balance the budget. >> you lost, ron. don't blame boehner. blame the republican party. blame conservatives. jim demint said it today. the conservative message has got to get out more pub
. president obama's initial offer on the fiscal cliff was resoundingly rejected by republicans. it included a $1.6 trillion tax increase, double what he campaigned on. also included $400 billion in entitlement cuts eliminating the need for congressional approval to a raise the debt ceiling. the markets rebounded later in the week following the latest hopes on a fiscal cliff agreement. america's economy grew at a faster pace than initially expected in the third quarter of the year. the second reading of the gross domestic product showed it at rate of 2.7% spurred by stronger inventories and exports. the securities and exchange commission is looking for a new chairman. mary shapirp schapiro announcin she will step down after nearly four years on the job. the obama administration says it will announce a replacement in the near future. >>> starbucks has a new way to spend a lot of money. it is introducing the most expensive blend made from a rare costa rican variety named geisha. it is $7 a cup and only available in 48 stores. if you order one, drink it slowly and enjoy every sip. >>> is the fi
that fiscal cliff. our next guest certainly is not following suit. find out what cuts he's willing to make. >>> another potential cost saver could be ditching the paper dollar in favor of a dollar coin. congress is considering it. could our debt literally kill the dollar bill? we'll talk about that. >>> and later on, i'll be talking exclusively to two of the nation's top ceo on how the fiscal cliff will impact their businesses. that's later on in "the closing bell." stay with us. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. >>> welcome back. the fight over the fiscal cliff heating up with both parties accusing the other of failing to offer substantia
cuts. the fiscal cliff also includes the nation's agriculture policy, which expires at the end of the year. it includes patches to medicare formulas. patches to social security formulas. so this is a huge mess of issues. we're not even talking about those issues yet. congressional negotiators and the white house aren't talking about these huge host of other issues that are on the table. the thought is if they can get past tax rates and spending cuts, then they will be able to deal with the peripheral issues. but we don't have much time. if a deal isn't reached or a framework isn't reached in the next week or, so it's going to be a big problem. >> all right, thanks for that. good to see you. > >>> nokia -- we'll tell you more when we come back in a few moments. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this he pursuit of perfecti
if we go over the fiscal cliff and it's starved of billions of dollars in contracts or are massive job cuts unavoidable and on the horizon? then that millionaire next door, he may no longer be a millionaire, or she f we go over the fiscal cliff. our wealth editor robert frank tal lis up the casualties coming up. you're watching "closing bell" on cnbc. this is america. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. a passionate belief, and the foundation on which merrill lynch has been built. today, our financial advisors lead from a new position of strength. together with bank of america, they have access to more resources than ever before. a steadfast commitment to help you achieve your financial goals in life. that's the power of the right advisor. that's merrill lynch. >>> who doesn't want a special dividend? the hits keep coming. oracle a
. speaker, roughly what size spending cuts do you think it would take to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff, and do you think that at least the promise of spending cuts has to be included in this level deal at this time? >> i don't think there's -- i don't think it's productive for either side to lay out hard lines in terms of what the size of the spending cuts ought to be. there's clearly -- there are a lot of options on how you could get there. but the second part of your question was? >> my question is, do you think the promise of spending cuts has to be included in the deal that averts the fiscal cliff? >> there's a framework that we presented to the white house two weeks ago. the framework is -- has been agreed to in terms of really a down payment on the end of this year. now, that would include spending cuts and it would include revenue. setting up a process for entitlement reform for next year and tax reform for next year. but -- but -- but this is way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. >> faced with t
cliff? are you expecting the economy to go over the fiscal cliff and see these taxes go high hadder and spending cuts take effect? >> my personal view is i'm still optimistic. i think the conversation has been constructive since. do we have a solution on the table yet? no. but i'm optimistic we'll get to a framework. >> why? >> there's been enough dialogue. there's been movement. everyone seems to recognize the problem. everybody realizes there has to be a revenue component, spend component, entitlement reform component. for us, the business community and all the ceos, certainty is the greatest stimulus for us. >> do you support tax rates going higher? >> me personally, as an individual, more importantly the business community, which i'm part of. we support something inclusive. if rates were higher in a videocasset vacuum, i'm not sure we'd be supportive of that. we have to make sure the consumers, those who spends a lot of the dollars, the middle class, are protected in this exercise. >> i guess the question i'm really getting at is, do you get the revenue from tax increases or fro
stick points over the fiscal cliff debate is whether to cut entitlements. dean baker says that's not the reason for our deficit problems. so they should not be on the table right now. we also have j.d. foster of the heritage foundation who says mr. baker's numbers don't add up. good to see you, gentlemen. thanks for joining us. dean, make the case. >> well wit, it's very simple. if you look at projections, we had low-budget deficits, 1.2% gdp until the economy collapsed the housing bubble. the reason why we have large budget deficits today is pure and simple. the economy collapsed and the deficits are what's supporting demand. why are we suddenly running around like chickens with our heads cut off to cut social security and medicare when those programs are needed more than ever? >> so you think we should keep spending on those programs? >> i think we need to protect retirees. they took a big hit when their house prices collapsed to then turn around and whack them again by taking away their social security and medicare doesn't make sense. >> i'm going to come back to that. j.d.,
compromise with their latest counter offer on the fiscal cliff. not as many spending cuts as they originally wanted and slight entitlement reform. the white house has just reject this offer out of hand and once again it solely is because it doesn't raise tax rates on the rich. when is obama going to rise above that obsession? when will he lose that over rich people and tax rates? i don't know. tonight, i'm is going to try to call his bluff. anyway, also breaking tonight, potential catastrophe if syria uses its chemical weapons. president obama issues a stern warning to syria and i quote the world is watching. and there will be consequences if syria uses these wmds. have we just committed ourselves to another war? and the gun control debate is squarely back in the spotlight tonight after the murder/suicide by nfl player in kansas city, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me wa
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of sense. yet, here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. we're not sure what will happen. many people predicting we'll go over the cliff. if we go over the cliff and the automatic spending cuts take effect and the tax increases take effect, what do you think happens to the economy? >> well, at the brt meeting that you mentioned, where the president was nice enough to come over, the question was asked, if we go over the fiscal cliff, how many businesses in this room will reduce capital investment? remember, i just said -- and it's very demonstrable that capital investment is what drives gdp growth rate and job creation. that tells a story right there. if we go across the fiscal cliff, we will have an economic contraction or slow down at best. >> how are things looking right now ahead of the holidays? i'm sure your company is real busy, fedexing gifts. what are your expectations for this holiday season? >> well, you know, the 300,000 wonderful teammates of fedex are working very hard. we publicly forecast a couple weeks ago that on the 10th we would move 19 million shipments through our
to cut the u.s. deficit and avoid the fiscal cliff, but the proposal is quickly dismissed by democrats and the white house. and australia central bank cuts interest rates to the lowest level since the financial crisis in a bid to get ahead of sluggish commodities demand. financial policy committee has been meeting. the outlook for financial stability has improved. signs of improvement overall. . few signs yet of improvement, though, in corporate credit. more capital would enonly banks to access cheaper funds. that's their latest thoughts. they see further cuts needed on bankers pay. also looking to see whether we have any construction. the november construction pmi 49.3. slipping to the 50.9 in october. survey data hasn't necessarily matched the hard data either. and this all comes as british chambers of commerce has issued a gloomy prognosis. cutting its uk growth forecasts for next year and 2014 to between 1% and 1.8 saying output will only return -- sorry, to 1% from #.8 saying it will only return to levels at the end of 2014 p. this after retail sales also missed forecast in number
there and it's called the fiscal cliff and will send us into recession but we may get deficit reduction but others believe we won't get spending cuts that we need. more will take place in defense which many argue does need to happen perhaps though not in the same way it does. we shall see. what's today's date? the fourth now. we're not too far. people say the 18th. we need to at least see something for the 21st. >> they're going on vacation with legislation. is that right? should they be able to take off? >> we should sequester their vacation. >> a great tweet this morning, jim. if you had a big project due at work, would you be going on vacation a week from tomorrow? >> let's say our bosses said we need you to finish this by year end. pal, man, i got a trip to st. bartz. what would they say? they would say stay down there. i don't like one of the defensive line guys that gets fired by the eagles. does he get to fly back from texas? we would fire these guys where they are, when they are on vacation. no. they get to take vacation without finishing their project. >> a couple good poll num
, fiscal cliff, i have to cut numbers. i have to cut guidance. i think many ceos will cut guidance because of the possibility that the amt is going to -- this alternative minimum tax, people don't know they have to write a check for $3,500 at the end of the year. once you jump over the cliff, you can reverse the payroll tax. senator corker who is terrific and had good privilege of talking with him this weekend, we both know you can't reverse amt. once you go over the cliff, amt is insidious. it's hard to figure out. >> in terms of negotiations we will sit here day after day, is it more theatrics, are they really stalled, will we get down to something at the end of the day that doesn't deal with everything, doesn't deal with fundamental tax reform but in terms of taxes and spending and put other issues into 2013? don't you think a lot of it is theatrics. >> i feel that if you vote -- if you can't utter the word increase next to the word tax, which is somehow many republicans can't put that sin tax -- >> you just need enough of them to do that. >> that's a good point. grover norquist my frie
for these massive spending cuts that would come at the end of the year if we go over the fiscal cliff. the white house saying they don't expect we will. they still hope it can be prevented, but they have to start planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing around that vi
. independent of all this jibber jabber over the fiscal cliff, the economy is in really rough shape now. >> it is. we're seeing businesses cut back, getting ready for the eventuality they see coming, no deal by december 31st this worsening. sam, how do you want to be invested in 2013? where is the growth in the economy coming from, if anywhere? >> i think the growth is coming from an improvement in the housing sector. i think we are starting to see a slowdown in the job loss from the government sector. so, i think we're going to be seeing a better than half speed recovery. so, you do want to be taking a balanced approach. we do favor the consumer discretionary at this point offsetting with health care. >> gentlemen, thank you. more breaking news coming away right now. thanks for your thoughts. appreciate it. >> we have the letter. let's get to eamon javers. >> this is the letter speaker boehner sent to the president of the united states. the language he's choosing is important to understand, as he draes the president. the speaker saying, after a status quo election in which both you and
better next year. that's where you want to investivities let's put the fiscal cliff aside, because they are not going to let the tax cuts expire. i'm here, i've been in politics for a long time. they won't do it. where would you invest? you sound pretty optimistic. where would you invest? >> i would say this, this fiscal inclusiver cliff, you have to use the weakness to buy. you're not chasing the strength. housing for sure, but i would also say go to where the companies reported in the third quarter, where did they deliver in the face of all this? who beat? >> where were they? >> starbucks, facebook, amazon, emare son electric, so there are several good companies doing goodening in the face of this. i'm not that crazy about special dividends. i would much rather see them invest in their business. >> so the techie companies, they're not going to do one-time dividends. what you're saying is don't chase that. >> yeah, you don't buy a stock because they're going to do the special dividends. >> would you by trying -- you mention emerson electric. >> we own that stock. we own caterpilla
pointing on the fiscal cliff talks. take a listen to this. >> it's not acceptable to moo a me to you for members of congress to hold middle class tax cuts to hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little not even $400 billion in cuts. it was not a serious proposal. >> all right. so where are we right now? even while the fate of our fragile economy hangs in the fiscal cliff balance, for that let's turn to our distinguished guests. peter goodman. he's the huffington post business editor on a former "new york times"man. we welcome back republican congresswoman nan hayworth and haddy heath, senior policy analyst with the independent women's forum. okay. so mcconnell laughed at the tim geithner proposal. and john boehner says we're at a stalemate. and president obama himself is kind of getting ugly about this enemy's list. we've seen this before from him. my proposal is, republicans have to come with a
proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the ten-year, $2.2 trillion plan keeps bush-era tax cuts in place for all taxpayers. the white house has maintained the tax rates on the wealthy have to rise before they would sign off on any deal. the gop offer would raise $800 billion in new revenue and it would seeks $600 billion in health savings and revive cost of living increases for social security. >>> half a dozen governors are headed to the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. they will tell the president that failing to come to an agreement will leave the states with the bill. after that they'll be going on to meet with some of the leaders in congress to make their same points there and we'll see what happens out of this. the markets have been watching just about every headline and trying to see what happens on this physical cliff issue. the "doubt" futures are up about 21 points. yesterday, though, we saw the markets close at the lows of the day. the dow down about 60 points on some of these concerns that, again, all of these issues still have quite aways to go before they reach a
balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cuts makes bonds rise, yields fall and making stocks paradoxically even more attractive. they become the new bonds. >> alan, can you tell from option activity which way the markets are betting right now, presuming that not going over the fiscal cliff would be positive for stocks and going over the cliff would be negative? what's the market betting on right now? >> well, i won't even make that presumption because we don't focus on what the event is. we focus on how the market is going to react. the vix has increased a little over the last week or so, but it's still at a historically low level. i think i'm very encouraged by the price action we've seen where we made this bottom and followed through last week, which is key, and we're holding strong this week. i i think the key for the market is to follow the dollar. we're below 80. that can really add another boost to the markets over the longer term. that's positive for corporations to get some more growth out of this ove
stuff to discuss middle class tax cuts and the dangers of the fiscal cliff. it is a factory i toured as part of our "how i made my millions" series earlier this year. what is this called? >> just a hopper. >> reporter: intricate creations constructed with a plastic product called k'nex, a build it yourself toy invented by this big kid, joel blickman at the age of 50. >> i really built k'nex for myself. >> reporter: he was so convinced everyone would clamor for the toy, he pitched it to mattel and hasbro. >> what ends up turning out was that none of the toy companies wanted it. >> how do you overcome the rejection? >> you get annoyed, which i did. and decide well, we'll do it ourselves. if they're that dumb, what they know can't be that difficult to learn. >> reporter: they developed their own packaging, started marketing it. at first, they shipped it out to a few local shops. >> and they make those toys all in america. p "power lunch" exclusive, the kroe ceo, michael erickson. why do you think the president chose your factory, your company to make his fiscal cliff case? >> tyler, thi
this "fiscal cliff." this political theater, if you don't allow these tax cuts to expire on the rich, the 1%, it's .25% coming off of gdp. you are losing a quarter percentage point. granted gdp numbers were better than we thought they would be. you are still losing a quarter percent if you let these tax cuts expire. it's an odd thing when we're so fragile on growth. >> let me take you to the trading element. what's happening is you get continued announcement of special dividends. you have been buying stocks on that basis. talk me through where you are now on perhaps what people may buy moving forward. >> it's a process that you really want to take into effect. it's got to be a company that you think is going to have some growth going forward. i bought winn. based on the company's fundamentals and then also for the kicker, the special dividend. that's something that i played. i also bought costco because i like the company's underlying fundamentals and a kicker for the special dividend there. you must like the company. >> that's important. the stock as it goes ex-dividend as we saw with choi
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over the fiscal cliff or whether a deal is reached to avert that, middle class taxes are going up, and so is spending. so there's a lot of cynicism in this process. >> real quick -- >> that's why the president has the edge. >> bottom line, the republicans are poised to take a fall? is that what your numbers show you? >> they are poised to take a hit on this right now. longer term, tim pact will weigh on the obama administration if the economy doesn't recover. >> all right. many thanks, scott rasmussen, appreciate it very much. >> thanks. >>> with just 26 days until we fall off the tax and fiscal cliff, two dozen house republicans have apparently defected from the boehner plan and signed a bipartisan letter with democrats. people are now asking is there a fallback position for the gop? well, here now to tell us is house majority whip california republican kevin mccarthy, the number three man. mr. mccarthy, as always, thank you for coming back on the show. can i get your comment on this letter, two dozen republicans, they're talking about tax rate flexibility along with a bunch of d
the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect in an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans get a tax cut under the framework under the first $250,000 of their income. in some sense, it's a tax cut for all americans. it's just for people who make more than that, we're going to ask them to pay a modestly amount more. >> that's hard to understand given how much going over the fiscal cliff would hurt the economy. why is going over the fiscal cliff worth it for just this one component? if you can get the other components, why wouldn't you take that? >> good question. thanks for asking. what we're trying to do is put in place a comprehensive balance set of fiscal reforms that put us back on the path to living within our means and create room for investing to make the economy stronger, make sure we're protecting medicare for future generations, and forcing the government to use the taxpayers' resources more wisely. in that context, you have to have a significant amount of revenues. we don't see a way of doing
reform or any sign of common ground plan to avert the coming tax and fiscal cliff. joining us to talk about this, we're going to get a gop response, senate republican conference chairman john thune of south documeakota. welcome back to the show. "the washington post" runs an editorial today saying it's time for the president to unveil some leadership on entitlement reforms and spending cuts because he hasn't done it. i want to ask you at the president's pep rally today, did you hear any of those leadership reforms on spending and entitlements? >> i certainly didn't and, by the way, good evening, larry, it's nice to be with you again. i don't find myself often agreeing with the editorial page of "the washington post" but this time they had it right. the president right now, the pep rally today is going out again on friday is really a continue ways of the campaign when in fact right now what he ought to be doing is trying to find some common ground with republicans, with congress up here on capitol hill because we've got to do something to avert this fiscal cliff. the only way we do tha
to compromise to get us closer to resolving the fiscal cliff issue? >> i think democrats have already shown a willingness to make very significant cuts. we've already in the budget control act agreed to an excess of $1 trillion of cuts. that's a pretty good faith counsel payment on our willingness to come to the table and do things that are very painful and difficult for us to do. we haven't seen that yet reciprocated in terms of gop willingness to raise the kind of revenues that we've already committed to reducing in terms of spending cuts. but i think we've demonstrated very good faith that we're ready to make the hard calls to pay down our debt, balance our books. at the same time, we don't want to take steps that are going to be counter productive? terms of the economy and getting people employed again. we don't want to go with an austerity approach like europe that will put us into potentially a double dip recession. >> speak to me about another issue that you've really been on the forefront of, and that is immigration reform, specifically as it pertains to highly educated and highly q
pelosi says congress should address the fiscal cliff in two stages. first lawmaker shoes agree to spending cuts and an infrastructure package along with passing the middle class tax cut. she says tax and entitlement reform would then come in the next year. mean while christine lagarde says she's hopeful an agreement can be found. >> are you confident that they will reach an agreement? >> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in t
the fiscal cliff. one more look at futures this morning on a wednesday. look like open 28. "squawk on the street" is back in a minute. >> there's a look at citi. the news on the bank this morning cutting 11,000 jobs. still working on a percentage of what that is on the overall workforce. they think it will be a pretax charge of about a billion dollars. savings of 900 million in 2013. rising to about 1.1 billion in 2014. we'll keep an eye on that name. >> very big. >> yeah. shares of pandora taking a hit in premarket trade. online music service beat expectations with third quarter results. ceo joe kennedy says pandora's advertisers are displaying caution about spending because of the fiscal cliff. he'll be on "squawk on the street" at 11:40 eastern time. and netflix paying for exclusive rights to stream disney movies. a lot of happenings moving stocks in a big way. with pandora, analysts give pandora a pass but they keep putting out bright spots in third quarter that did come in better than expected. mobile monthization. >> this is the first company that came out and blamed the fisc
over the fiscal cliff and also because the marginal tax rates are going to automatically increase, which means any lower tax rates president obama will ask for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have
fiscal cliff drove markets and drove sentiment. as you know, at year end, the bush tax cuts will expire, triggering the biggest tax increase since world war ii for virtually all income levels. along with those tax increases will come reckless and blunt spendin spending cuts that will lead to mass layoffs while pushing the economy back into a deep recession in 2013. thun of these issues, of course, are a surprise to anybody. washington set this deadline for itself a long time ago. yet, here we are once again. a month and a day away from a self-inflicted disaster. and both sides scrambling for a deal? no, not at all. instead, what we heard today was both sides scrambling to point the finger. listen to this. >> now is the time for the republicans to move past this happy talk about revenues, ill-defined, of course, and put specifics on the table. the president has made his proposal. we need a proposal from them. >> what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so i ask, where is the leadership from our elected "leaders"? i'm not
to go over the fiscal cliff. there will be some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there. looks like there's a lot of opportunity for a big run higher once we get some form of resolution. i really believe we're going to get it. >> you think by year end? >> i really do. i think they want to go home for christmas. they're not going to want to not go home for christmas. you can always count on politicians to do the right thing when all other options have been exploited. they're going to finally get there because they have to. they're not going to solve 100% of it right away. >> jump in, abbigail. >> i think it's too early to be bearish or bullish, for that matter.
:. miss something? head to "mad money".cnbc.com. >>> with the fiscal cliff looming less than a month away you might think certainly sectors would be getting hammered right now. not the obvious ones like defense. given the defense budget will be cut dramatically if our leaders don't reach a compromise, take retail. if we go over the cliff, something i've been telling you as of this week, more likely by the day, not less, that will deal a huge blow it purchasing power of most americans. think about it. tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in trouble. once the holidays ends, things can get a whole lot worse. not just the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago aggregate r
the fiscal cliff, you see these huge spending cuts kicking in at the same time as higher taxes, i know the thinking is the president can say this is the republican's fault for doing this, but do you think he'd really stay over the cliff given what that would mean to the economy in such rapid fire fashion? >> i think the sequestration is more of a problem thax the tax rates. sequestration requires very big cuts very quickly which would jaw the economy. i think the president could give a speech over the next two weeks, prepare americans for going over the cliff and it's not guilty not going to be a big deal because tax rates are going to revert to where they were and the serious conversations with republicans begin. it gives everybody an opportunity to save face. the president gets what he wants. all the tax rates are go up. he can pull back the 98%. the republicans won't go against that. so in some ways, it works in everyone's political interest. sequestration is a big problem because if that goes into effect, the country certainly almost goes into recession. >> the sad thing is, we're
over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't give in on higher taxes for the wealthy. a little bit of trade data out of the uk. i didn't have a forecast for this. adjusted global goods trade deficit 9.5 billion. september unrevised. forecast here forecast at 8.65, so that is a wide deficit than forecast. adjusted 4.5 billion. sterling not reacting huge amount. european stocks today are firmer. up 0.4% for the ftse. xetra dax continues its strong momentum, we are trading at 52 week highs and up now about 27% for the year. bond markets which is where we stand with yields, spanish ten year yields slightly lower, but we were 5.2% beginning of the week was the handle. currency markets, not huge changes. euro-dollar just below 1.31, dollar-yen 82.44. euro trading, though, at a fresh day high it must be said. we have comments coming out of china on the smartphone segment. apple's rang in china smartphone market which will become the world's biggest this year down to number six in the third quarter. facing tougher competition from chinese brands. this is the research firm idc coming out wi
when we look at the fiscal cliff and everything else in terms of actual cuts in spending, everybody recoils in horror because they know it implies. >> you made your point, though, we surrendered to fdr, and instead of supplementing people, instead of letting them earn their own success, we're going to somehow try to deal with outcome rather than opportunity and pay for it. and you want to pay for -- >> no, i don't. >> in a fairer society. what you see as a fairer society. >> i didn't say it was a fairer society. but chris brought up an important point. and i want people to talk about the "wall street journal" today. we're not talking about cutting spending, not talking about cutting growth rates, which is a huge difference, one reason why people like me look at former presidential candidate mitt romney talk about npr or planned parenthood. the number one answer for balancing the budget is foreign aid. which if you really wanted to balance the budget and you don't always have to go to the department of justice or whatever it may be. but over the next ten years, 90% of federal outlays
anything done. the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically week and counting before you think the equity market really drops significantly? >> if we do get a deal done do, we just maintain the 2% that we're stuck in with the high unemployment and not go down? or does it actually allow us to start growing again? is anybody talking growth? >> we're talking growth. >> is it possible to ever get back to that in this environment? >> it is. you have a lot of problems with the piece. >> do you briyou believe if you rote deficit -- two different ways. you either keep the government that you have and pay for it by raising taxes, or you kind of leave taxes
. >> no spending cuts in that? >> if -- >> you got to -- >> just to go over the fiscal cliff, you will go back and -- republicans right there would see $750 billion raised every we are. suddenly these -- these clinton tax -- bush tax cuts are so dear under -- for the 98% of the democrats i have never seen anything like it. never seen anyone love the bush tax cuts so much. more than the democrats. first 98% p they hated them all along and now they love them except the 2%. >> they are not going put one thing on the table unless they get the other, both sides. i don't see them just surrendering to tax cuts on the one hand without any expend organize vice versa. >> do you think there would be any growth, anything positive, from going over the fiscal cliff that would ameliorate the damage? >> it depends on what -- the deficit. >> if you -- depends what the alternative is. alternative is what was proposed yesterday, i would go over the cliff and take -- >> so would all the people on the left. >> but on the other hand, i hope that there can be -- >> 50/50? where are we? >> 50/50, yes. >> you don't th
on the fiscal cliff before we hit it. represents tim walls is a democrat from minnesota who filed a petition yesterday to force a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to say that the optic beioptics of congressman leaving the capitol right now for another long weekend is extraordinary poor. it is disappointing and to many it is outraging. what do you say? >> i think it is outrageous. i couldn't agree with you more on that. these are good folks. each one of us was elected to represent 650,000 people. i heard it -- i think everyone of the other floor members heard it -- they're tired of the bickering, they're tired of the cliff talk. they want to us compromise and get something done. i proposed yesterday let's find the xron ground. we all agree that tax rates should not go up on folks make makeing $250,000 or less. a family. >> when congress goes home today for a long weekend, who pays for the travel? >> the taxpayers pay for it. they just flew us out on monday. we took two votes. we didn't vote until 6:30 th
. unfortunately, i think the threats from some democratic leaders that maybe it's okay to go over the fiscal cliff, i'm worried some actually believe that and that's one thing that scares me. i think there's a deal on the table, get a few years deal, it's only if -- obviously the republican caucus could do something stupid, but owes otherwise my main word is the dems decide they want to play for a long term deal that it all has to be resolved right now and it's worth the risk and i don't think it's worth the risk. >> adam, always good to see you. thank you very much indeed. we move on, stay in the united states, strike at the port of los angeles long beach is entering its seventh day and some analysts fear it could cost the u.s. economy $1 billion a day. it means lost business for truckers and others who rely on the port for their livelihood. combined they are the nation's busiest handling nearly 40% of impossibles from asia. and google customers across europe will be able to access the largest repertoire of music in the world. the fruit of a collaboration between internet giant and european colle
weeks partly because of the fiscal cliff. people who already train and who work out regularly, you're one of the ultimate kind of discretionary expenditures, of those things that people might cut back on going into christmas. >> i think it's an unknown, i won't say it worries us, i think we have a very core guest and i think that gives me a lot of confidence in the back half of the quarter is the very strong sales that we have seen starting in october through november, we have seen a great acceleration so we know that we're a very giftable item and we would expect to see strong gift card redemption sales and so i think there's a lot of things that give us confidence that we can have a great quarter. >> christine, how big can men's be. i'm trying to figure out if you can be like nike. >> i think from there's a huge market still that we're actually creating in the athletic technical wear space as well as the technical street, which is a very big market and without putting a time frame on it, we definitely see ourselves with a bigger than $10 billion business. >> christine day, ceo of
portfolio, i am concerned about the fiscal cliff. >> are there any preparations you're making in particular? >> we've been reducing our risk on interest rate sides because particularly when this thing blows up, you don't know where it's -- >> you're not cutting people yet? >> no, we're not cutting people. >> are you planning to do so? >> in our business we're not as affected by consumer buying because in most state use have to buy our product. so we'll continue to sell the same amount of business we sold before, so we do not have to cut people as a result of the cliff. >> hey, tom, when you hear all the negotiations, the bad news is everybody's trying to figure out which amount of each of these three buckets that you mentioned things should go into. dwlou see a compromise working out, particularly when you hear on both the far right and the far left this idea that we don't want a compromise, we want it our way? >> i think idea that you don't want to compromise is just a dumm idea. i mean if we go over the cliff when we go into a recession, wealthy people, you know, my stock portfolio will g
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